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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 15, 2009 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

the thought of Namath as a Ram and Unitas as a Charger makes me puke!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 15, 2009 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

Yeah...sorta what I was getting at. On the other hand, everyone said after the Pats, Plunkett never should play again, and then look what he did with the Raiders, not once, but twice, way past his prime?

[BTW, since you may appreciate it: I mentioned that football card, and went to see if I could find it, only to find I have TWO: Namath...and...drumroll: Johnny U!]

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Sep 16, 2009 5:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

Is it me or does it seem that Plunkett never gets the recognition that is deserved among football analyis. 2 superbowl wins and a Heisman Trophy should put himin fairly elite company. Stabler carried the Raider personia better but couldn't match Plunketts performance.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 16, 2009 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

Hmmm, tell me--did I start putting an "e" where it should be for Ol Jim? Must be the French influence hereabouts.

Yep, I agree...re your thesis on recognition. His stats aren't good though I suppose...but, win baby win...right?

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Poster: veblen Date: Sep 15, 2009 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

Johnny U: Pittsburgh, PA
Joe Namath: Beaver Falls, PA
Joe Montana: New Era, PA
Dan Marino: Pittsburgh, PA
Jim Kelly: East Brady, PA
George Blanda: Youngwood, PA

for some reason I always loved plunkett to randy vataha, preferably called by charlie jones and al derogatis...:-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 15, 2009 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

Whoa--knew about some of those, but jeeezzz...must be all the coal mining!

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Poster: veblen Date: Sep 15, 2009 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

this article is dated but it is still telling:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05238/558775.stm

"The scary thing is I've actually thought about this over the years and I really can't come up with a good reason," Gattuso said. "But it is bizarre how many have come from here."

One thing the article mentions is the number of times that the area has had five Division I-A quarterbacks who were recruited to play quarterback, and not another position. One year they had six. Of course many years they had only one or two...

other locals: johnny lujack, major harris, chuck fusina and dan darragh (oj's first bills qb)...

btw: one of the first books I ever read was about johnny u's days playing sandlot football (bloomfield rams) in pittsburgh after school at louisville. Since teams controlled the rights within their region the steelers had unitas but he didn't make the cut only to move to sandlot and then the colts...

oh, I went to school with danny boy...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 15, 2009 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

Ha--my brother was roommates with Dan Pastorini (sp?) in HS; he was the QB that broke his leg and was replaced by Plunkette in Oak, I think...damn, can't recall the story. But, they were roomates...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 15, 2009 9:11pm
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Yea, well my mom dated Roman Gabriel at NC State. Insert your own punchline here.

And my dad was friends with Sonny Jorgenson at Duke (yes, that football powerhouse).

And I own an Archie Manning autographed N.O. Saints' football - worth a bit more than it was.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 15, 2009 9:41pm
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I knew Chris Hanburger- 9 time pro bowler, of the Washington Redskins, from The UNC TarHoles from my days growing up in Maryland. He was out felling trees near the Patuxent River in Upper Marlboro (where Shawn Merriman went to school) when I was introduced to him by my Boy Scouts' Scoutmaster.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 15, 2009 9:43pm
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I appreciate the revision to your original post!

I recall Hamburger. And the Redskins' cheerleaders of yore: The Stretchmark Sisters. Souiee!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 15, 2009 11:06pm
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RFK was a great GD venue many times over the years, but never was Texas Stadium.

I'm drunk off my ass, so please excuse me.

We can share the women, we can share the wine....................

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 15, 2009 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

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Poster: veblen Date: Sep 15, 2009 9:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Raiders forever...not

was that at santa clara!?!

pastorini and the oilers were pretty good in 78 and 79 but just could never get over the top...though their fans might say that they never had the refs on their side...

kind of like the bert jones colt teams in the late 70's though if memory serves me correct jones was out most, if not all of 78 and 79...but he was a terror in 76 and 77...

so I forgot that the future drag racer pastorini played in the biggity-biggity-O; and that he was traded for stabler.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 16, 2009 7:59am
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HS--Bellarmine.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 15, 2009 7:17pm
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Plunkett played only 5 seasons with the Pats and left at age 28.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 15, 2009 7:49pm
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Hmmm--thought he was older (and that he was there longer); just looked it I guess...at least when he showed up at the Raiders we didn't think he'd amt to much, but he sure showed us...

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Sep 16, 2009 12:59pm
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Plunkett may have been 28 by the calendar when he left the Pats but his body was 48 due to the beating he took behind a god awful Patriots offensive line in the early 70's. I was at the last game he started as a Pat when he got absolutely crushed on a sack. The fans jeered him mercilessly as he limped off the field and we thought into oblivion. Personnally I liked the guy since the first time I saw him at Stanford and took great satisfaction in his later success at Oakland. I really used to love watching the old AFL West games, Oakland, KC, San Diego, Denver, Daryle Lamonica, John Hadl, Len Dawson, Lionel Taylor, Otis Taylor, Buck Buchanan, Jim Otto, Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff...